tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6371203489316363738.post5074575513087796755..comments2024-01-30T07:41:20.885+00:00Comments on Broken Barnet: Rewriting the bible: Mrs Angry on GodMrs Angryhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00586223909475832791noreply@blogger.comBlogger16125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6371203489316363738.post-69646631384846870822011-12-21T19:56:31.408+00:002011-12-21T19:56:31.408+00:00Jaybird: I do know someone, a lovely woman in many...Jaybird: I do know someone, a lovely woman in many respects, but a convert to evangelical Christianity, who has given me an insight into the attitudes of this form of belief. In fact, I have had several arguments in my own kitchen on the subject of St Paul, and his views on the subjugation of wives to their husbands, ha - and the awkward issue of the devil, about whom ev xtians seem very concerned. Mrs Angry pointed out that St Paul was also keen to suggest that slaves do what their masters commanded, and that women should shave their heads and keep quiet in church. Not sure if this is still required, but the devil is certainly alive and well, and still wreaking havoc in Broken Barnet.Mrs Angryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00586223909475832791noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6371203489316363738.post-38834917802337094762011-12-21T19:41:19.489+00:002011-12-21T19:41:19.489+00:00Cneifiwr: it's not too late, you know ... alth...Cneifiwr: it's not too late, you know ... although Mrs Angry is still in her infancy, she is open to all suggestions. Sheep shearing is low on the list of temptations, however.Mrs Angryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00586223909475832791noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6371203489316363738.post-17225934032342036472011-12-21T14:57:08.962+00:002011-12-21T14:57:08.962+00:00I've just checked out the Jesus House core val...I've just checked out the Jesus House core values link. A picture of a man who is in dire need of a strict diet yelling into a microphone, and some truly manic guff - one sentence manages to use the word 'exceptional' three times.<br /><br />Who apart from a council would think for more than a nano-second about giving them money?<br /><br />Mrs A - two years old? Or did the finger hit the delete button on the preceding word? I suspect that we could have spent our formative years together had fate not intervened. Frightening thought.<br /><br />By the way - don't ever shear sheep in winter. You will have mass and terminal hypothermia on your hands.Cneifiwrhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08767078276794410524noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6371203489316363738.post-52354146105202446972011-12-21T10:10:44.352+00:002011-12-21T10:10:44.352+00:00Good morning Cneifiwr: you were up early this morn...Good morning Cneifiwr: you were up early this morning: were the sheep in need of urgent shearing? Here in Broken Barnet bloggers get up much later.<br /><br />I am not sure what you mean by 'above a certain age', you cheeky man. Mrs Angry is less than two years old, in fact.<br /><br />But your great age has given you much wisdom: your point about the exemption of religious groups from aspects of the Equalities Act is particularly worrying in this context, and also the enthusiasm for government and councils to throw money at such bodies when as you say, there has been a history of abuse in so many situations where vulnerable members of society have been given into their care.<br /><br />My problem with fundamental religious groups is that they are inherently judgemental. My personal interpretation of Chritianity is that love and tolerance is the over riding commandment, but then I am only a (very) sinful Catholic, so what do I know?Mrs Angryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00586223909475832791noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6371203489316363738.post-27788558358487614102011-12-21T10:08:01.851+00:002011-12-21T10:08:01.851+00:00I agree with the comments above about fundamentali...I agree with the comments above about fundamentalists of any faith. I do not think it wise to support them.<br /><br />In addition to strong views on homosexuality, churches belonging to the Evangelical Alliance have strong views on abortion.<br /><br />Being evangelical means that the Church members believe it is central to their faith to convert people. In fact, not to do so, to stand back & let someone go to Hell, is a sin in their view. See the link to Jesus House here<br /><br />http://jesushouse.org.uk/our-core-values<br /><br />The second of their core values is "We are committed to winning souls for the kingdom of God and sharing His love with others."<br /><br />To suggest that they cannot use community work, such as the project funded by the Council, to convert people would be totally incompatible with their faith.Jaybirdhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00837834833034746377noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6371203489316363738.post-59116381229598699942011-12-21T09:54:48.202+00:002011-12-21T09:54:48.202+00:00Greetings, Citizen Barnet. Yes: the question that ...Greetings, Citizen Barnet. Yes: the question that must be asked is if the charity has formally agreed to be compliant with the equalities policies of the authority?<br /><br />Perhaps the Barnet bloggers, as a voluntary body, should put in a bid to deliver oh, I don't know, maybe communications services, for Barnet Council? They could part company with Mr Chris Palmer and his comms team: think of the savings! Of course I could not sign an undertaking to abide by the policies of the authority, but theat should present no problem.Mrs Angryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00586223909475832791noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6371203489316363738.post-25397705868153940482011-12-21T07:33:15.069+00:002011-12-21T07:33:15.069+00:00Oh, the Evangelical Alliance again. If you can bea...Oh, the Evangelical Alliance again. If you can bear it, their website is worth having a look at for their reaction to equalities legislation. For what they really think about gay people, advice given on the treatment of volunteers is quite interesting.<br /><br />You can find one such piece here:<br /><br /><br />https://www.eauk.org/politics/relationships-with-volunteers.cfm<br /><br />Basically a man who was doing voluntary work for a Christian charity and receiving food and accommodation in return was chucked out when they suspected he might be in a gay relationship.<br /><br />The Alliance commentator approvingly noted that the charity was successful in an ensuing court case.<br /><br />Lots more of the same to be found on the same website.<br /><br />Churches and other religious groups lobbied very hard during the passage of the Equalities Act with the result that they have negotiated exemptions from certain key aspects of the Sermon on the Mount.<br /><br />As for the Jesus House venture, anyone above a certain age (cough, Mrs A) may have noticed how memory in public life is nowadays measured in days rather than decades. Why else would the government and councils react to all of the abuse scandals in religious homes, schools, etc. by giving money to open more of them?Cneifiwrhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08767078276794410524noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6371203489316363738.post-13843944498133640942011-12-21T01:03:32.385+00:002011-12-21T01:03:32.385+00:00Hello, Mrs A. I clocked that Jesus House lot had g...Hello, Mrs A. I clocked that Jesus House lot had got some money. I'd be interested knowing more about them as well. Even without knowing much about them, the idea that such an outfit could spend money more wisely than an inhouse service seems ludicrous to me.Citizen Barnethttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10539991855658960354noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6371203489316363738.post-17390378730107876882011-12-20T22:42:45.204+00:002011-12-20T22:42:45.204+00:00Yes, I have a framed copy of the same picture next...Yes, I have a framed copy of the same picture next to my bedside table. It glows in the dark.<br /><br />I wish you would consider marrying Evans the planning department man, then I won't have to keep correcting your name. Not too much to ask, is it?Mrs Angryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00586223909475832791noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6371203489316363738.post-15443148725764055762011-12-20T22:12:41.746+00:002011-12-20T22:12:41.746+00:00Thanks for the mention...things are definitely get...Thanks for the mention...things are definitely getting weirder in Carms, if that's possible. Feel as though I should say something profound but it's all been said. Spot on as ever Mrs A. Is that a real picture of Gove?? eek. Grateful not to have become an Evans, although it would have it's advantages here, especially with the planning department...caebrwynhttp://www.carmarthenplanning.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6371203489316363738.post-43761478258371146932011-12-20T21:16:00.058+00:002011-12-20T21:16:00.058+00:00hmm, not a bad idea, baarnett ... I must say I lik...hmm, not a bad idea, baarnett ... I must say I like the idea of wanted posters of Tory councillors being given to shopkeepers so that an automatic 30% surcharge is applied to any of the scoundrels who dare to show their faces in a local shop ...Mrs Angryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00586223909475832791noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6371203489316363738.post-7211307214435297792011-12-20T20:44:51.182+00:002011-12-20T20:44:51.182+00:00It is to be hoped that if the Jesus House wishes t...It is to be hoped that if the Jesus House wishes to supply a list of days when they do not want parking penalty notices to be issued, the council will treat it with the same co-operation as others have been shown (see Mr M's blog).<br /><br />In fact, if faith groups expanded across Barnet enough, there would no longer be ANYWHERE that had its CPZ policed. <br /><br />Maybe if the <b><i>"United Retail Praise-Be (Early Closing Thursday) Believers"</i></b> sent in a list that applied to North Finchley, they could save their businesses from 30% drops in trade.baarnetthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12301292285255035403noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6371203489316363738.post-67914712756636001712011-12-20T20:28:13.804+00:002011-12-20T20:28:13.804+00:00Growing up in a Catholic household, baarnett, or a...Growing up in a Catholic household, baarnett, or at least one under the rule of my Catholic mother, the King James bible belonging to my CoE father was kept firmly out of sight in a drawer and treated by my mother as an object of evil influence, so I cannot really comment ...<br /><br />Cneifiwr: you have it exactly so - the danger is that any fundamentalist religion, of any faith, tries to take advantage of the Big Society balls for their own agenda. I have nothing but admiration for bodies like the Salvation Army who quietly give such fantastic support to vulnerable people in a genuine Christian way, without question, and doing it as commanded, I seem to remember, by 'preaching' through example, rather than imposing their values on others, but I cannot abide fundamentalism of any religious tendency and think it really is the cause of so much trouble, and certainly such groups should not be given over responsibilty for the provision of social care.<br /><br />Mr Mustard: you may well be right, but then again you are clearly a sinner in need of repentence. Perhaps the nice people at Jesus House might like to start a mission to support middle aged ne'er do wells who have fallen into the sinful practice of unlicensed blogging and the vexatious repetition of FOI requests?Mrs Angryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00586223909475832791noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6371203489316363738.post-46229139678243901092011-12-20T18:17:11.893+00:002011-12-20T18:17:11.893+00:00Looks like a load of toss to me Mrs ALooks like a load of toss to me Mrs AMr Mustardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12522242686839965655noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6371203489316363738.post-70753029815294211112011-12-20T17:53:13.973+00:002011-12-20T17:53:13.973+00:00Thanks for the puff, Mrs A. I have to admit that s...Thanks for the puff, Mrs A. I have to admit that since I started looking at the church bowling alley story here in Wales, I have developed a mild obsession with evangelicals infiltrating government at all levels.<br /><br />All parties are to some extent affected, but the Tories are more prone than most, presumably because of what the Guardian calls the "socially conservative" views of these religious groups - i.e. a view of the world not far removed from that of the Taliban.<br /><br />One of the prime movers in this is an organisation called CARE (Christian Action Research Education) which has quite a presence on the Tory benches at Westminster - plus a lot of interns being groomed as future Nadine Dorries's. CARE has set up organisations to work away at devolved governments in Scotland, Wales and N. Ireland, as well as local government. They have also spawned quite a few "spin-off" groups dedicated to getting creationism and intelligent design into schools; changing the sex education curriculum; "advising" pregnant women on abortion; targetting senior council officials who share their beliefs to ensure favourable "outcomes", etc., etc.<br /><br />They are also very keen on Dave's Big Society thing as a way of gaining a hold on service delivery.<br /><br />CARE is by no means the only organisation doing this. Who knows what they may be up to with your Brian?Cneifiwrhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08767078276794410524noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6371203489316363738.post-59004725619201926362011-12-20T15:58:56.279+00:002011-12-20T15:58:56.279+00:00Of course, the King James bible has given us a lot...Of course, the King James bible has given us a lot of everyday phrases:<br /><br />"let there be light", <br />"am I my brother's keeper?", <br />"be fruitful and multiply", <br />"pillar of salt", <br />"let my people go", <br />"we'll treat that as an FoI request",<br />"by the skin of my teeth", <br />"tender mercies", <br />"the face of the deep",<br />"the spirit is willing", <br />"a man after his own heart", <br />"vanity of vanities", <br />"sign of the times", <br />"forums are not to discuss policy",<br />"wages of sin", <br />"all things to all men", <br />"eat, drink and be merry", <br />"fight the good fight", <br />"through a glass darkly", <br />"of course Metpro has a contract",<br />"grave, where is thy victory?",<br />"the powers that be", and<br />"have you gritted my road yet?"baarnetthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12301292285255035403noreply@blogger.com